[ He flashes a quick smile at the remark from Caleb about those he was responsible for -- or at least the tone it is said in. ]

I don't imagine I should much like to see someone here who would not make something of a mess in some ways. Making a mess of things I can almost approve of, done creatively or cleverly. Making a mess of themselves--

You're right, that is different.

[ Caleb was the former, mostly, Kelson the later. ]